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Sunday, 09 November 2008

  • Why I left the Mennonite Church, Part 3b.

    To any dissatisfied young Mennonites reading this who might be thinking about leaving...

    1. As long as you're a Menno, either follow the rules, or look like you're following the rules when those who are older and/or more conservative are around.  Yes, you might be openly planning on leaving the MC. And yes, some of the rules are impractical, outdated, obsolete, and a major pain in the rear.  Believe me, I've been there.

    But rules or no rules, one of your end goals in leaving should be this: you want to leave in such a way that you can come back to visit in the future without feeling the slightest bit uncomfortable...It may not be completely reachable, but it's what you should be aiming for.  If you have a reputation amongst the conservatives as rebel, that goes a long way in the wrong direction.

    So maybe you wear shorts when you're playing basketball.  Maybe you go to the movie theater occasionally instead of waiting 3 months for the DVD to come out.  Maybe you don't follow every rule to the letter.  And that's ok.  And while it's one thing to joke about it with your friends who feel the same way you do, it's another thing to offend your elders.  Although they *might* be old, stubborn, and stuck in their ways, usually they have watched over you as you've grown up and really do love you.  And that's not something you want to throw away.

    All this to say...if you're going to leave, make sure you don't burn your bridges when you go.

    2. Try to have some idea of what you want in a church before you leave.  It's easy to say what you don't want...you're probably thinking you don't want rules like the ones you grew up with, which is understandable.  But what do you want?  Just because a church isn't Mennonite doesn't mean it can't still annoy the crap out of you.  Just because a church appears really cool after going there once doesn't mean it's right for you.

    I church-shopped for quite awhile.  You probably will too.  It's like dating.  You don't commit to the first one on the first date...you look around, you evaluate, you decided what you can live with and what you can't.  You always keep your eyes open.  If someone recommends a church, you check it out.  And once you find a church you think you can live with, you start going there steady, every Sunday.

    And go to church regularly, even if it isn't to the same church every time.  If you're like me, you need the social and spiritual interaction that comes with.  And no you won't always feel like going.  And yes you should go anyway. I've been there, believe me.

    And if you want to know what I think you should look for in a church, see this post from a few months ago.

    3. If you believe strongly that women should wear a covering, then you should probably stay Mennonite, no matter how you feel about any of the other rules.  The covering is just not something you find anywhere else, and you won't find a spouse who believes the same way you do if you look outside the MC. (But if you already have a spouse and you both want to leave and you both believe in the covering, then I guess you could maybe disregard this.)

    There are other teachings unique to the Mennonite church, but this is the only one I can think that might be a dealbreaker. Believing strongly in something like nonresistance just doesn't have the same effect. (FWIW, I'm still a pretty big believer in nonresistance)

    4. It's okay to be open about how you're planning to leave, but trust me, your life will a be a lot easier if certain people don't find out until after the fact. Been there, seen that. So be a little bit careful who you tell.

    Also, being open that you're leaving is okay, but being open about leaving doesn't mean that you have to have an attitude. Like I said earlier, you don't want to burn your bridges, and a showing a nasty attitude toward the MC is a good way to do just that.

    5. After you've left and found a church you like, be careful how you talk about it when your old Mennonite friends ask...basically, say whatever you want about your church, just don't compare it spiritually with the MC unless they specifically ask. It doesn't leave a very good impression. Yes, you want to say why you like your church. What you don't want to do is to turn it into a spiritual sales pitch.

    6. I would love to write a piece on introducing your girl/boy friend to your Mennonite friends and family and getting her acquainted with your background...but unfortunately, I have no experience here as of yet. Sorry.

    That's everything I can think of...I guess that brings this series to a close. Thoughts? Comments? Questions?

    P.S. Heads up to starrsoft and anyone else who might have been wondering: I don't feel like doing more than 1 response, so I'm just going to wait a few days, then write one response in this post, in regard to the questions and comments in this post, Part 3a, and the ones in Part 2 I haven't covered yet.

Wednesday, 05 November 2008

  • Why I left the Mennonite Church, Part 3a.

    So...part 3 was probably the hardest of the three to write. And to tell you the truth, I almost didn't write it, but this whole thing won't be complete without some kind of conclusion. And this is less about me and why I left, and more regarding those who are still Mennonite.

    It also got so long that I decided to split it into two parts just to make it easier to read. Hence the 3a.

    Like I said earlier, these last posts are going to be directed at young Mennos who are dissatisfied and thinking about leaving, and older Mennos who have trouble knowing how to deal with those young people.

    I guess I want to start by talking specifically to those who are older...I get the feeling that there's usually a disconnect between the younger and older people in a church, to the detriment of both. And I'd like to share a few things to those who are older from the perspective of a younger person.

    Young people (YP) often feel, sometimes rightfully so, that older people (OP) know nothing about their lives and don't really care about their lives unless they (the YP) are doing something that the OP don't like. That the OP don't really talk to them unless it's to give them a lecture. And it ultimately leaves YP feeling like things will be a lot easier if they exclude the older people from their lives as much as possible. Which is sad, and is not what the church was meant to be.

    That is not to say that all older people are like this...most of the OP where I grew up were really cool, and I got along well with them. But there's always those who are like that, and even the cool OP can feel a little bit lost sometimes in dealing with the young.

    So if you're an older Mennonite looking for tips on dealing the young, you've come to the right place. I'm not saying these are perfect, comprehensive, or flawless. They're just some of my observations from my 21 years as a Menno.

    a.) One of the things that young people often hunger for is a mentor, someone who has been there before, has faced the same struggles already, knows what it's like, can lend a listening ear and give sound advice.

    Also, the Apostle Paul gave explicit instructions in his letters that the older people in the church should teach the younger...so if you're an older person in your church, teaching or mentoring is kind of part of your job description. It's not anything complicated, just lend a listening ear to what they are saying and be willing to open up about your own struggles you faced at that age. Try to find out what's going on in their lives. What do they want to do for a career, is there someone that they have their eye one, what are their plans for the next year. You'd be surprised how far things like that can go for a YP.

    Warning: remember what I said about the disconnect between old and young? It may take a little while to overcome that, especially if you have a bad reputation among the YP to begin with. And even if you don't, it often takes YP some time to really open up. So hang in there.

    b.) Pick your battles. Maybe they are listening to music you don't like or wearing shorts when they play basketball. The best thing to do? Either tell them you're concerned and why, and leave it at that, or just leave it alone to begin with. Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT try to make them follow the rules. Telling a YP that you're concerned about something is fine, especially if it's a sin issue or something that's potentially destructive. But confronting YP on issues of rules and lecturing them on how they need to conform does nothing except to alienate them, and it reinforces the generational separation I mentioned earlier.

    I don't mean to sound angry or anything. It's just that confrontation (and especially when it's nitpicking) over rules is the one of the single most boneheaded things an older person can do in relation to YP, and I was around long enough to see it happen a few times.

    c.) Most YP hunger for change, and for a general loosening up. Big surprise, I know. It's the way the world works...YP want change, OP like things the way they are. It's why Obama won and McCain lost. That being said...

    There is no worse way to alienate your young people than to give them the feeling that even the smallest change is impossible, and that your generation is deliberately keeping change from happening.

    A young Mennonite could come to all the same conclusions I did and yet decide to stay, if he or she thinks that change could happen within a reasonable time frame. If that YP is waffling between staying or leaving, the attitudes that older people appear to have regarding change could easily be the deciding factor.

    Note that the changes may not have to be huge. Just being willing to loosen up on rules that have outlived their usefulness will go a long way in the minds of YP.

    One last thing: don't automatically assume you're somehow at fault if someone leaves. For me, leaving was a combination of factors including college and future career aspirations, a lack of eligible Mennonite girls around here, in addition to the factors I've related in the previous posts...it ultimately had little to do with the people in the church. I think a lot of younger ex-Mennos would say the same thing.

    Coming up...my final post in this series, and my advice to young Mennonites who are dissatisfied with their church, and/or are thinking about leaving.

Wednesday, 29 October 2008

  • Why I left the Mennonite church, Part 2.

    Warning: this is probably the longest post I have ever written. Kudos to you if you can make through to the end.

    So...this is the part where I talk about the conclusions I came too regarding my Mennonite heritage...Note that these are simply the conclusions I came to, I don't pretend to know all the answers to these things, and you can feel free to disagree at any time.

    One of the central conclusions that I came to was that we, in the New Testament era, are bound by principles, not rules. Principles of loving God with all your heart, loving others the same as you love yourself, honesty, chastity, and so on.

    What does that mean in practical terms? Simply this: if the Bible says something specific that has no practical reason or application today, we are not bound by that. However, that “something specific” almost always has a governing principle behind it, and that governing principle will be just as binding on us as it was to the people it was written to. It's just that the practical application will look somewhat different with in today's world than it did to the people 2000 years ago.

    Example: The feet-washing ceremony. It was something that was done to imply submission, humility, showing servanthood to your brothers and sisters in Christ. And in that context, in ancient Jewish culture, it did. In our culture, in our time, it doesn't. Today, it's a symbol, and not much more...and I don't think that feetwashing, is binding on us today. If you want to do it, great. Symbols are cool, and there's nothing wrong with symbols. But it's not a requirement to being a Christian.

    But the principles behind feetwashing of humbling ourselves, showing servanthood to each other, and submitting to each other? Those are completely binding on us today, and are totally part of what it means to be a follower of Christ.

    And ultimately, I don't think God really cares if we're following the specific details of the Bible...He cares much more about whether or not we're following the principles behind them.

    I eventually came to realize that there are two ditches people fall into, legalism and liberalism.

    Legalism takes the principles of Scripture and makes checklists from them. You should or should not do this or that because that's how you should apply this verse or that one in today's world. Don't listen to rock music. Don't drink alcohol. Don't watch TV. Wear clothes that are different from the world. And so on. And while not doing those may or may not strip you of your Christianity, you won't completely measure up as a Christian if you don't do them.

    Liberalism takes the principles of Scripture and ignores them. If you want to follow the Bible that's fine, but you're kind of a fool if you do. Come on man, live it up a little. Party hearty, get completely plastered, take a few chicks home for one night, have fun with life and do whatever feels right to you.

    When all is said and done, I don't think that either one is worse than the other when dealing with people's souls. From what I've seen, liberalism poisons a person's heart and legalism suffocates it. I fail to see which is worse.

    I'm just going to come out and say it...if you are a Mennonite, please don't take this personally.

    For me, being in the Mennonite church meant that I was living under legalism.

    Which leads me to my next point...one man's legalism is another man's normal way of life.  For some people, not getting tattoos and not having a TV and living by the other rules is simply what they would naturally do.  And if it's what they would naturally do, I can't really argue that they're living under legalism.  Some people thrive in the Mennonite church. If that's you, then more power to you. Some people feel like they're being suffocated.  It shouldn't come as any surprise that...I felt like I was suffocating spiritually.

    Being a conservative Mennonite works for some people, but not for me...that's pretty much the long and short of it right there.


    Switching gears here, I also came to some more specific conclusions regarding “the rules,” and here they are:

    One is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with being like the world, if what the world is doing does not violate Scriptural principles.  And so, using “the world” to say that we should or should not do something is illogical, or else we should all be Amish.

    To be honest, I often felt that some were using “the world” to hang on to traditions and rules that had no other Scriptural backing.   But I'll talk a little more about that in the final post. ;)

    The other conclusion was that rules of the Old Testament with no backing in the New are not binding today. The ones that were important were given as principles, and backed up by Christ (or in a few cases, the apostle Paul) in some way.   The others, they left alone.  For example, what it says in Leviticus about tattoos?  Not binding on us. Saying women shouldn't wear pants because of the Leviticus verse that says not to wear the clothes of the opposite sex? Again, that's not binding either.  If it's in the Old Testament Law and nowhere else, I don't worry about it.

    And there you have it. Pretty much every rule falls under those two, or under what I wrote about being bound by principles and not rules.

    All that being said, there are several issues I want cover in a little greater detail...

    People ask me about the covering more than anything else, and it falls under what I said about principles versus applications.   As I see it, the application for the Corinthians was the covering, while the principle of the passage has to do with husbands showing leadership and wives showing submission.  Paul mentions those same principles in several other epistles as well, but never mentions the covering elsewhere.

    Davidrmiller asked about my position regarding divorce, so I'll try do that too.  First of all, I don't believe it's quite as cut-and-dried as the Mennonite position makes it out to be...it's kind of like my old issue with the covering.   I know people who are in their second marriage and are Christians.  How that actually works, I don't know, and you can draw your own conclusions from it. All I know is that these people are Christians and their lives reflect it. I also know that they have gone through a divorce at some point, often before they were saved, and have since remarried.

    I guess my position on divorce is this: if you're married, you're married.  For you to leave your spouse would be a sin against him/her and a sin against God.  But if your spouse leaves you literally or figuratively (runs off with someone else, gets really abusive, etc.) and divorces you, then remarriage later may be an option.  I don't know.  Jesus did say divorce was wrong...but left a caveat in there regarding cases of sexual immorality.

    Questions? Comments?  Any issue you feel I didn't cover? Complaints?  Did you make it all the way to here?  I'll probably do like I did last time, and leave a comment clarifying or answering anything people bring up.

    Is the grass really greener on the other side? Do people who leave face a greater risk of going off the deep end? Find out, when we come back. Coming up...candid advice to dissatisfied young Mennonites, and to slightly frustrated (from dealing with said YMs) older people.

Sunday, 26 October 2008

  • It has now been 8 months since I left the Mennonite church...at the time, I didn't feel right about discussing why, but I think enough time has passed that I can talk about it a little more freely. What will be following will be a 3-part series of posts, detailing the timeline of events leading up to it, the conclusions I came to regarding my Mennonite heritage, and candid advice to young Mennos who are thinking about leaving, as well as to older folks who are trying their best to be reasonable and sensible with young people even if they don't always see eye to eye with them.

    Why I left the Mennonite Church, Part 1.

    My story started when I was about 14, and the first “chink in the armor,” if you will, was music. I had grown up hearing the standard thing about the “worldly” music genres (rock, country, rap, etc.) with their “thunderous beat and hellish lyrics” (a direct quote from a CLP paper I read once). At 14, I discovered country music. And I discovered that the whole “thunderous beat and hellish lyrics” that all “worldly” music supposedly consisted of was a bunch of crap. It was out there, but was a small minority. My journey away from the MC didn't start then...at 14, you tend to see rules like this as coming more from your parent's than the church. But the seed had been planted. I had discovered for the first time that not everything that had been preached to me over the pulpit was true.


    At 16, I was baptized.  Which, among other things meant that I was now officially a member of the Brownsville Mennonite Church.

    At 17, not to long before we went to Kenya, I was listening to a sermon being preached on the covering, in which the preacher said, quote, “There are women out there who don't believe that any sort of covering is necessary, and they will find out differently on Judgment Day.” My first thought was of my aunt Rebecca, who grew up a Menno but left in her 20's. She doesn't wear a covering, and yet there is no way I could say that she's not a Christian.

    I went to 1Cor 11 to try to reconcile my beliefs with my experiences, between the doctrine of the MC, which says that Christian women should have something on their head, and all the Christian women I know who don't wear one. (I'll have more on that in the next post.)

    The “slippery slope” idea comes into play here, because questioning the doctrine of the covering led me to question most of the other teachings unique to the Mennonite church, and then some. As I analyzed, I almost always found that the doctrines/practices/teachings of the MC either weren't necessary, or else could be found in a lot of other churches/denominations besides the Mennonites.

    (Bear in mind, just because a practice isn't necessary doesn't mean that it is bad or that there's something inherently wrong with it. Example: the holy kiss. Mennonites, older ones at least, often greet each other with a kiss on the cheek as per Romans 16:16. While there isn't anything wrong with it, it's also not necessary, and whether or not a church practiced the holy kiss would not be a factor at all in whether or not I attended there.)

    (Another example: say a church is preaching that Christ's Resurrection never happened. That's a dealbreaker. But most of Christendom preaches that Christ's Resurrection happened and is important, so most churches will qualify in that regard, Mennonite or not.)

    Anyhow, this analyzing phase lasted roughly 2 years, and by the time I was 19 I knew my future probably did not lie in the Mennonite church. That being said, at 19 I didn't feel right about leaving the MC right then. I decided to lay a fleece: I would leave the Mennonite church once I could affordably leave home, and let God work things out when it was time for me to leave.

    A lot of that was practical. Leaving the MC can put a strain on relationships with your family and friends if done incorrectly, and I figured it would be easier for all involved if I waited to leave until I had left the house. The other side is more spiritual: I felt that God wanted me to stay in the MC for a little while, like there was something He wanted me there to accomplish before I left.  Doing it this way meant God could arrange it so that I would be able to move out after I had accomplished whatever He had in mind.

    There was an incident that I was involved in about a month before I ended up moving out, and as near as I can tell God wanted me to stay in the MC for that purpose. I don't mean to be vague, but I don't know who all reads this blog, and describing it in detail has the potential to hurt some people.

    Anyhow, in October of last year I had just started attending Oregon State University, and was driving about 30 miles each way every day. A guy I used to work for asked me if I would be interested in house-sitting for him in Corvallis, at his house about 3 miles from campus. And that was that. I moved to Corvallis within the next week, and in February 2008 I officially withdrew my membership from the Brownsville MC and was no longer a Mennonite.

    Coming up...the conclusions I came to regarding my Mennonite heritage.

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