Sunday, 13 April 2008
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Just a few of my ruminations from the past few months...If some of these rambling seem a little bit incomplete, I will simply use the same excuse that you find on a box of corn flakes, and say that some settling has occurred during shipping from my computer to Xanga's.
I hate it when people get on their high horse. Whether it be in politics, parenting, church, or whatever, I hate it when people get on their high horse. I especially hate hate HATE it when it's Christians who are on their high horse. I don't want to be identified w/ that. The thing is, once someone is OTHH, they're almost always wrong, and yet they're so convinced that they're the ones who are right that they feel like they have the right to attack you since you're so obviously wrong.
Classic signs of being a Christian and OYHH:1. The issue is something along the lines of birth control, politics, homeschooling, or the media (which could include movies, TV, music, or video games).
2. They have plenty of Scripture to back themselves up, but none of it actually pertains directly to the issue at hand. Romans 12:2 is a common one.
3. For some reason, not very many people are buying into their ideas, which only leads them to believe that everyone else is somehow just more worldly and/or sinful than they are. When in reality, they're just being a jerk.**edit** Just for clarification, I'm not at all against homeschooling, the Republican Party, or anything else like that. Just the people who try to insist that if I'm a Christian I will homeschool my children, or I will vote Republican, and so on.
"God gave me a BF/GF/spouse once I stopped wanting it." "Maybe the reason you're still single is because you've made an idol of marriage." Sound familiar? I've heard people say these before, and it just doesn't make sense. Men and women have been created with a desire for each other, and it started at the Garden of Eden. And if we're created that way, why would God give you a significant other only when you stopped wanting it? I realize people who are euphorically married want to find some way to comfort their single friends, but somehow this one just doesn't cut it. Any thoughts you readers might have on this would be greatly appreciated.
I went to a church this morning called Doxology. A friend of mine who used to live here recommended it to me, and I've been there a few times now. It meets in the basement of a bar/nightclub, and apparently has been doing so for a number of years. It's a little weird to be sitting in a church service and see a poster on the wall advertising for beer pong on Thursday nights, but I think I might keep attending there. It has the friendliest people in it of any non-Mennonite church I've ever been in.I left the Mennonite church, and now that I've left I can see that one of its big strengths is its friendliness toward new visitors. Generalizing here, but it seems like anyone who walks into a Mennonite church for the first time is immediately recognized as being new, and people make an effort to be friendly to them. (And yes, all you Mennos reading should take a little pride in that
)I've visited a lot of churches in the last few months, and that is seldom the case. But that's how it is at Dox, and I like that.
There is something that is totally awesome about seeing old friends again. The SMBI choir sang at OSU on Friday...I went and saw my old BMABI roomie Pete Byler for the first time since I was down in Jamaica in 2006. Really awesome.
I also met Hans Mast, who I've been back and forth with online at times, but had never actually met in person before.
Christians have plenty of proofs and evidence when it comes to proving stuff from the Bible like the Genesis Creation and Christ's Resurrection. But so often we get on our high horse over it, to the extent that we think we can simply ignore or pass off any evidence to the contrary.
For example, take radiocarbon dating. It isn't hard at all to test it's accuracy using something that we know the age of. I can go, dig up bones of people or animals that were killed in the eruption of Mount Vesuvius and carbon-date them to get an idea of how accurate the system really is. I know to the day how old those bones are (August 24, A.D. 79), and comparing the results to that is simple.
So if my dating technique turns out fairly accurate, what happens when I date something and it comes out at 20000 years old?A lot of Christians will simply assume that the dating procedure can't be accurate, because in their/our mind the Bible doesn't allow for a universe that's that old.
Some Christians assume that when Genesis talks about the 7 days of Creation, it's not a literal 7 days. This assumption thus allows for an older universe, since the 7 days could cover longer spans. Growing up in the setting I did, this view was bashed somewhat.
If you hold to the L7D, I have a question for you: What is it about the L7D that means it has to be true?
If you take Adam and Eve out of the equation, you take out the Fall of man and with it one of the foundational aspects of Christian theology. So if my faith means anything, Genesis 3 pretty much has to be literally true. Does the L7D have the same status, and if so, why?
Note that I'm not questioning whether everything was created by God; this isn't a thing of Creation vs. Evolution. This is simply L7D vs. a longer time period. Thoughts?
I'll leave you with that one. This got really really long all of a sudden
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It should also be noted that in the Hebrew Torah (the Ollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllld testament), the world used in Genesis for a "day" during creation is "Yom". "Yom", goes on to be used further in the Torah as describing a period of time from 12 hours, to basically just a period of time without measure (think awhile).
where is the Doxology?
I am not sure what to comment cause I don't want you to think we are on our OTHH. But we are a mennonite family with 7 kids, and homeschool. We like to think we aren't radical but a family who loves the Lord and maybe have a different view of birth control, homeschool, etc. then most people. But we also are comfortable with people like you would really "think" for themselves.
My husband went to EMU and has a lot of issuse with the liberal mennonites and their views, so we are more comforable being more conservative.
PS. I am on my kids xanga accouts so this is mom commenting.
wow, I read my comment and you can really tell is was written "BC" (Before Coffee)
for clarification I meant "word" not "world" and what a meant by "(think awhile)" was clarification for "period of time without measure". Upon reading it I thought it sounded more like I was suggesting people needed to "think about it", rather then it's intended use.
I would never suggest someone "think awhile", rather we should "think always", awhile isn't quite long enough.
haha, "OYHH"
I agree with what you were saying about that though. some people will just debate and try to prove their point non-stop and it will never really get anywhere. Thats why when I talk to certain "OTHH" people i just eventually listen to whatever they have to say and let it go. Their rambleing doesn't effect me much, cause i know that the only true knowledge comes from God. It's just annoying cause I don't need what they think they are teaching me, thats what I have Him for thanks!
and i also totally agree with the marriage thing. The desire is always there it never goes away, God never intended for anyone to have a non-marriage seeking spirit...if that makes any sense. Especially because God created us to marry us, using the holy spirit to work through us to make us into the perfect Bride for Jesus. So maybe thats why that person said "He gave me a spouse when I stopped wanting it"..? because they stopped wanting it and wanted only God? I don't know, just throwing that out there..
Pretty_imagery's point makes great sense.
there is a difference between "long" and "boring"...
your post is long but at least it's interesting.
Interesting thoughts...
I remember reading somewhere that one of the conditions that the scientific community at large requires to be a scientist is a belief in the theory of evolution. Therefore they can say that no true scientist believes evolution to be false. While I feel woefully understudied on the subject, sometimes I feel that some of the ulterior theories applied to Genesis 1 are no more than an attempt to try to somehow reconcile the Bible with the perceived scientific evidence that is out there.
You asked if Genesis 1 has as much importance to theology as Genesis 3. In Romans 8 Paul makes the statement that the entire creation suffers as a result of the Fall. Paul says that the entire creation is waiting rebirth. What the world was like prior to Adam and Eve's sin is not clearly defined and subject to our imaginations. To me for the day-age theory to work implies that there was a certain amount of death and suffering that existed prior to the creation and subsequent fall of man. Did that suffering pre-exist, or is the result of man's sin as the Bible says. More than just man's spirit and soul and his relationship with God were affected by the fall, and more than just those things are or will be affected by Christ's redemption. The new heaven and new earth are an extension of that redemption.
Thank you for sharing your thinking process with all of us. Your blog is always interesting to read and is usually challenging (a good thing) as well. As for the marriage thing, I was 29.5 whe I got married over 20 years ago. I think what people are tryingto say is that we have to want God first, above all else. It's like God is saying "Do you trust me?" "No really, do you TOTALLY trust me with your life? You know the falling backwards with your eyes closed trusting me to catch you kind of trust?" (not necessarily literal here!) It's not that we have to quit wanting to be married it's that we have to agree to do God's will even if that means NO marriage. I was 29.5 when I married. There are wonderful aspects and difficult aspects to all things. I am learning to be content where I am at this moment, not abandoning growth, just trying to not rush things or grab what I think I need. God's timing is perfect!
Being recently married I would say that God didn't "Give me a Wife" until the moment Beth said "I Do", everything before that, and since then, has been largely a product of our combined efforts. Beth and I wouldn't have even met had I not returned to Oregon, which again was my decision. Not saying God didn't play a role in it, I'm sure he did, his influence is unavoidable. You still have to live your life and whatever comes your way, or does not, will more often be a product of effort then anything else. If God wanted to make every decision for you there would be no point in free will...
that's my two cents
And on the thing about finding someone. I hear ya. I used to say similar things as you. But I DON'T think its good either to go into panic mode, as in "yikes, I'm getting old and not married yet, I've got to DO something about it QUICK!". Funny thing is, one reason that attitude doesn't work is cause a desperate guy is usually a turnoff to girls.
I think that I would like to leave a comment. But after eating a whole box of corn flakes in just a few minutes, gulp, I'll need some time to digest them before I can gather my thoughts together! :)
I came across your blog because I just started reading your mom's blog. I had just been wrestling with this idea myself today and lots of days over the past few years. The college I went to (very conservative Christian college) made it seem that if one didn't neccesarily believe in the L7D than one couldn't be a true Bible believing Christian. In the 3 years since I left there, I've mostly decided that I'm tired of everything being either/or and that I don't have to choose just one polarized option to really love and believe in God. And I can't wait to ask Him!
If you don't mind, I think I'll keep reading your blog... we ponder similar things.